NB: Halfway through righting this I turned on a completely different direction that I had planned. Ideally I should split this ramble into two posts that actually make sense, but this is my blog and I’m free to be as lazy as I wish. The latter part is something I feel very strongly about, and even though it may sound very condemning towards the groups I mention, I think they are fantastic and only write such things because I believe they have the potential to be so much more awesome than they already are.
Unless you’ve been living under a rock for the past month, you’ll have heard of the creation of Brave Newbies Incorporated, a corp founded on reddit, exploding with new members without very low experience and SP looking for fun PvP and making their own story in EVE. Their enthusiasm and abandon in getting fights has also meant they have received a large number of alt from certain null-sec blocks with far too many blues who just want to goddamn shoot at things.
I approve very much. I love this approach to the game and is one of the things I enjoyed most about about the UNI and continue to enjoy in Waffles.
Before I left the UNI BNI were still stationed in Hek, where they essentially got blapped to pieces whenever they undocked. Shortly after I joined Waffles they moved to Rahadalon, two jumps from our staging system which essentially means whenever there itsn’t a scheduled fleet out we’re in there relieving them of their ships. A rather amusing side effect f this is that Waffles has the 7th most kills this month in all of EVE, not bad for a corp with no more that ~30 guys online at any one time (total member count including alt and what have you is ~150).
As an added bonus, by engaging in the art of “Market PvP”, a few of us have made quite a lot of monet restocking their home station with cheap crap at a “profitable” margin. Personally I’ve made a few hundred mill thus far, which may not sound like much but they fly fully T1 everything, so market traffic is going to be very limited ISK wise. Regardless, one of our guys was screwing them so badly they thought it was an inside job and kicked their logistics guy, which was bloody hilarious from where we were sitting.
Unfortunately, some of their members were not so happy with affairs as they were, and though to everyone’s enjoyment the CEO decided not to remove the “Brave” part from their names and coward out, the following mail was sent to their corp by one of their members and the sentiment gained a lot of support:
Frоm: Rеd Follower
Ѕent: 2013.03.04 00:10
To: Brave Newbies Inc.‚
may i make a suggestiоn?
sincе we have mоvеd to our new home we have been farmed by sniggwaffe and сamped into our staition. if we were to move one jump over into Mendori we would deprive this corp from a multitude of kills thus making them move on. most of thier members have a -10 standing and cannot venture into any system above .4. if we are to be one jump over we as a corp or a fleet can easily jump into low sec for our roams. this would be safer for newer pilots and would allow us to seed the market without risking our ships trying to get to the station through a gate camp.
Thankfully they stayed, and now that they have all simultaneously skilled into T1 cruisers, the fighting has become (for me at least) a lot more interesting. I’m currently running what is essentially a mini-Talos;
Though sadly my non-perfect cap skills make my life a bit more difficult. Flying either solo or with some friends in other nano cruisers is a great laugh, lots of things to shoot at with my spare ships only 2 jumps away, with the minor annoyance that their are no repair services in Rahadalon. To their credit, BNI have been improving very rapidly, now using probing solutions to great effect and well as knowing when to get off field (most of the time). Overall, I think BNI are a great initiative but their regular members suffer the same problems as the E-UNI ones, Fweddit are the only similar corp who I’ve seen that don’t do this, and is makes me sad. I’m going to try to explain this as carefully as I can because it could very easily morph into something I don’t mean to say.
Having a bond between corp-mates, facing the opposition in good spirits is one of the best parts of EVE, but there can be a unnecessary level of butthurt and over-exaggeration in the difference SP makes. The directors and older members of both E-UNI and BNI get this, as do many of the grunt, but in the core of both there are many who take a friendly in-game rivalry and expound upon it in their heads to ridiculous levels. Sure, losing a fight, especially when you get truly whelped can be a little disappointing, but in more cases than people realise whether it’s Shadow Cartel, Waffles, or anyone else, we’re just guys playing a video game. We’re not “evil”, we aren’t fielding stupid amounts of ECM or ganking your miners and running away whenever a PvP ship undocks, we want fun fights.
Lower SP and experience is something to take into account, not an excuse to be made for losing. Instead of giving those as reasons and nursing a grudge, look at the engagement, look at the ships you brought, look at the way they were fit and take what you can from them. This attitude should be applied whenever you PvP, the first turns you into a bittervet and the second turns you into a better player who enjoys playing the game. The best examples are probably the current day CFC and HBC, and how BoB was taken down. Lots of new guys, but organised well into a great fighting force.
“But Apoth, you’re in the small group of highly skilled players and you don’t understand what it’s like to be in new corp with people who don’t know what they’re doing. You have so much more SP that the odds are insurmountable.”
Well, no. My character has 7 months of PvP skill points (I have ~25mill SP which sounds like a lot until you find out I have Exhumers 5 and stuff of the like). I spent 7 months on the other side of this table and still managed to bring that attitude 99% of the time. I’m one of the guys who FCed those noob fleets to their deaths and totted up the totals after. Now that’s I’ve had the benefit of both experiences, there is so much I have learned. I can promise you that though SP can make a lot of difference when the numbers are otherwise even, just by having a bunch of people more or outshipping or having more logi or EWAR, the balance of power can be drastically changed. These things are called force multipliers for a reason.
I’ll use a recent fight with E-UNI as an example. It wasn’t one of their shining moments and was definitely not the norm when I was still a member.
You’ll probably be surprised (unless your already cynical and old) to learn that is was a friendly fight. We gave the UNI a good bit of notice before rocking up, and then an extra 30 minutes because we’re just that nice, and this is how we were rewarded 😦 We were originally told that they only had 11 people on so couldn’t really face us, so even though we would likely all die we said to outship us by a class to make their odds nicer. Let’s see what they eventually brought:
– twice our numbers (as to be expected)
– As many BC or above as we had ships
– 50% more logi
– general massive overkill
I know a lot of those pilots back from my UNI days and many of them have more SP than half these Waffles. More logi OR greater numbers OR ship class would have been fine, but refusing to fight until it’s 100% win is kinda sad.
Anyways, it was a glorious fight and an awesome opportunity to fight completely against the odds and great FC practice for me besides. I may sound like I’m pretty butthurt above (which would be some beautiful hypocrisy) I went onto UNI comms after and had a laugh with the guys from the fight. GFs were exchanged from both sides etc etc etc. The reason I’m harping on about this is because it’s stuff exactly like this that gives you a reputation in EVE. The UNI used to be known for ECM blobbing, though after the second half of 2012 the guys we fought regularly (Shadow Cartel, fweddit, etc) were on great terms with us and more people were happy to engage E-UNI fleets because they new the fight would more likely be fun, rather than being permajammed. Popular bloggers and other members of the community wee talking about the vast level of improvement they had seen in the types of fleets being taken out and the skill with which the UNI were fielding them.
The old perception of the UNI is of ECM blobbing, risk-averseness and general bureaucracy. Since I started in the UNI last September it has come leaps and bounds towards much better (and far more fun) PvP training, even at a director level the rules and methods have been changing (and there’s some cool stuff that I know about on the horizon for you UNIbros as well). So, specifically to the UNI, BNI and everyone else who has a lot of newer SP members, retain that enthusiasm, keep a good attitude as you make the Universe a better place for it, you enjoy the game far more and the new player life-blood which pulses through EVEs veins is strengthened for the benefit of all.
NB2: I think this is maybe my first very opinionated piece, so I may or may not get a lot of people being very angry at me or thinking I’m very stupid. Firstly, I am quite stupid and am wrong a lot, but regardless I’ll do my best not to become a mini-Poetic. You’re all awesome!